Posts by Lady Liberty

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I received a package from my mother today

by ex-nj-jw in

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my dub mother sent me a package today, inside was a nwt bible, a picture of me around age 5 at an assembly - i looked miserable and my dad was holding a battery operated fan in front of me, and a letter, here is the letter.

i ask that you remember that i was 18 when i left and i'm now 42, that there is a total of 8 children in my family and there are only 2 that are still jw's, oh and that my mother is a complete nutcase!

dear nj:.

Lady Liberty

Dear ex..,

(((HUGS)))!! I am so sorry!! I cannot believe a mother would say what she said to you, and then have the nerve to say," I love you even though you don't love me"?!?

This sounds exactly like something my mother in law would say to my husband!! She is just as sick and twisted!! Obviously she is desperatly grasping at straws!! What a freaking guilt trip!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR

I am so sorry, hang in there!! People say and do the most hurtful things when they are under cult influence!! These people are so warpped!!

Again ((HUGS)))!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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A call to HQ about the settlement

by parlay in

i called hq under this guise: i am an interested person who has two jw'svisiting me periodically.

i think they are very nice people and we have good conversations,but recently something disturbed me.

i was suprised that they had no knowledge of the recent lawsuit settlements and actually denied it was true.

Lady Liberty

Wow!! That is awesome!! Wouldn't it be funny if everyone here called Bethel and did the same thing with a slightly different twist?? But ask the same questions in the same manner?? you never know who at Bethel may actually decide that they need to do some serious thinking about what is going on. You did great Parlay, thank you for sharing!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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new e-mail from my mom

by Heather in

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my moms e-mails get shorter and shorter.

this latest says only this.. 2 peter chapter 2. lovely.........i'm a dog returning to my vomit.

Lady Liberty

Dear Heather,

(((HUGS)))!!! I am sorry.

In reply I would send her an e-mail that only says this: 2 Timothy 1:7.

(it says, "For God has not given us a spirit of fear; but of power and of love and of a sound mind.")

That will get her thinking about what she sent YOU!

Hang in there!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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I JUST FOUND OUT.......!!!!!!

by Es in

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that im having another baby!!!!!.

just done the test and the line came up straight away....... we were planning on falling pregnant in about three months and happend to fall pregnant straight away...im still in shock but had to share it with you all my family.

luv ya.

Lady Liberty

Awe dear....(((HUGS!!)))

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! We are thrilled for you all!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Welcome to JWD, Enjoying freedom!

by nvrgnbk in

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Lady Liberty

Dear Enjoying Freedom,

WELCOME to the forum!!!

We are happy to have you here!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

Lady Liberty

Yes, some evidence for this would be great.

If true, this would really make sense. One of the major comebacks from JWs during this time was that traveling overseers 'ran ahead of the organization' by proclaiming things about 1975. If this was directed from the top down that argument would be shown to be quite futile.

Dear Drew,

If you look back at the audio post I did, you will be able to listen to two talks given at conventions in 1967 talking about 1975 being the end. Here they are:

		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Why you have to be in the Society, and why you should make your move before 1975	1967	680k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Stay Alive 'til '75!	1967	52k

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Welcome to JWD, educ8self!

by nvrgnbk in

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Lady Liberty

Dear educ8self,

WELCOME to the forum! We are happy to have you here!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

Lady Liberty

Dear Fresia,

Here is one more place that maybe exactly what you were looking for..audios about 1975 at the conventions. Freeminds has put all these together. Scroll down to Charles Sunutko, and you can listen to what they were saying from the podium about 1975. Here is the link:

http://www.freeminds.org/wav/wav.htm

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

P.S. I copied and pasted the site, but you may have to actually click on the link above to activate the audios.

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Fred Franz (4th WT president) stirs up the crowd re: 1975 in 1975! (RealAudio) part 1 part 2
Charles Sunutko's full message on 1975! Get your popcorn ready! (RealAudio)

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Real Audio	WAV file	who	subject	when	size or seconds
		C.T. Russell (1st president)	Period between the death of apostles and now	1913	31 sec.
		C.T. Russell (1st president)	Suppression by Religious Inquisitions	1913	141 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"Why the Clergy Oppose the Truth"	late 30's	253 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"God's Organization"	late 30's	271 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"Satan's Organization"	late 30's	287 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"Obedience"	late 30's	281 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"The World's End"	late 30's	282 sec.
		Joseph Rutherford (2nd president)	"Who Will Survive Armageddon?"	late 30's	260 sec.
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Fighters For The New World"	"Jehovah will execute all that cling to religion, which is demonism."	circa 1942	86 sec.
		District Overseer Floyd Kite	"Test for Jehovah's Witnesses" re: shifting doctrine (loyalty)	late 60's	435k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	We have a new date for Armageddon!	1967	273k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Watchtower very explicit as to 1975 meaning	1967	294k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	the Great Destruction (who will make it and who won't)	1967	419k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Nations destroy Babylon, JWs are healthy and taunt the world	1967	412k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Nations turn on JWs and Jehovah eats away the flesh and rots out the eyeballs!	1967	434k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Why you have to be in the Society, and why you should make your move before 1975	1967	680k
		District Overseer Charles Sunutko	Stay Alive 'til '75!	1967	52k
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Do You Appreciate It?"	New Testament written primarily to the anointed	1973	50 sec.
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Do You Appreciate It?"	keep busy... Jehovah will see you through the Great Tribulation and Armageddon	1973	46 sec.
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Do You Appreciate It?"	"(Rutherford said) 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die!' ... it's true!"	1973	141 sec.
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Do You Appreciate It?"	hardships ahead as we near Armageddon, fuel shortages portend the end, "within our generation," hostile army of nations to attack anointed	1973	393 sec.
		Nathan H. Knorr (3rd president) "Do You Appreciate It?"	signs of times, worldwide discomfort to get greater and greater, "extermination will stare [us] in the face!" Jehovah will save his, destroy others	1973	256 sec.
		Fred Franz (4th WT President) parts one and two	Stirring up the crowd re: 1975	1975	130 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on how apostates want to develop a following; their heart is bad.	1983	57 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on the deception and hypocrisy of apostates	1983	23 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on "How to recognize apostates"	1983	300 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on "How or why do people become apostates?" (heart, motive, avoiding door-to-door work)	1983	228 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on "How apostates say, 'You just need the Bible!'"	1983	230 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on "How can we protect ourselves in the congregation." (By just reading the Bible, we don't get the light of the slave class.)	1983	23 sec.
		Circuit overseer in Arizona discusses "apostasy"	special 1983 circuit visit: segment on apostates that is very condescending and whip-cracking, very typical of the Governing Body in the 80's after the Franz Incident.	1983	498 sec.
		"Carefully Following the Orders of the King" by E. Givens (District Assy.)	District Assembly Talk in 1985 regarding being obedient to God's channel	1985	143 sec.
		"Carefully Following the Orders of the King" by E. Givens (District Assy.)	"If one of those instructions is to JUMP, our only response should be..."	1985	140k
		Famous WT lawyer Hayden Covington	reminiscing on an attempted hanging	1997	196k
		Famous WT lawyer Hayden Covington	reminiscing on a brother being kidnapped into the draft!	1997	370k

transcript of Covington interview two days before his death
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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

Lady Liberty

Dear Fresia,

Here is some more 1975 information. Hope this helps. I have personally double checked these comments in the past. But I encourage any who doubt to check for themselves. I got this from jwfiles.com.: http://www.jwfiles.com/1925-1975.htm

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

Fifty years later in 1975 the Watchtower found itself in the same situation as 1925 and true to form did the exact same thing. When their prophecy failed they blamed the individual witnesses saying it was them that 'based their hopes on false premises'. Below you will find the course of events that surrounded the 1975 prophecy. It is the same as in 1925. You will see what was said before 1975 arrived how all were sure of the things to come. Biblical and chronological proof was again put forth to back up the Watchtower's prophecy. How, many were encouraged for believing in what was written by the Watchtower regarding the year 1975. But when that year came and went, the tides turned and it turned onto the witnesses. You will see an unmistakable similarity between 1925 and 1975. Same tricks, but decades apart.

With the release of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God the Watchtower Society draws a picture of the final part of the last days that ends in Armageddon. Showing the reader charts and graphs and quotes from anyone who had anything negative to say about the coming year 1975. In the quotes to follow notice how the Watchtower weaves the facts together but stops just short of making the final claim, but by then anyone with common sense knows the point of view they are being lead to believe.

At all assembly points where it was released, the book was received enthusiastically. Crowds gathered around stands and soon supplies of the book were depleted. Immediately its contents were examined. It did not take the brothers very long to find the chart beginning on page 31, showing that 6,000 years of man's existence end in 1975. Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. "The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed," said a conventioner. Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home!
Watchtower 10/15/66 pg.628-9
But, without a doubt, nothing has created more interest in this textbook than the first chapter with its chart and fine information regarding the 7,000 years of God's rest day. The observation that 1975 may well mark the beginning of mankind's great Jubilee has intrigued many.Watchtower 1/1/67 pg.29
'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could.
Watchtower 10/15/66 pg.631
In their new book, Famine—1975!, two noted food experts, William and Paul Paddock, make this forecast for the future, on page 61:"By 1975 civil disorder, anarchy, military dictatorships, runaway inflation, transportation breakdowns and chaotic unrest will be the order of the day in many of the hungry nations.
Watchtower 4/15/68 pg.227

This next Watchtower quote says to the reader the next thousand years will be spent without Satan! Witnesses are taught that after Armageddon Satan will be locked away for a thousand years. So now this Watchtower magazine saying the next thousand years will be free of Satan is as good as saying Armageddon is about to come now, for the latter cannot (in the witness eyes of understanding) happen without the former coming true first. So if the next one thousand years are to be Satan free and that starts in the fall of 1975 then it would stand to reason that Armageddon would have to come just before the thousand years of Satan being abyssed. Thus Armageddon coming in 1975. But they did not say the words 'Armageddon is coming in 1975'. Though what other conclusion could be drawn from what is here written?. Note the following quote:

According to the Bible timetable, man's history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years. Adam was created in 4026 B.C.E., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 C.E. We are in the great 7,000-year rest day of God, starting at the time he rested after the creation of Adam and Eve. There are, therefore, a thousand years left to run. Without Satan and his demons to disturb mankind it will indeed be a restful time. It will be like a sabbath.
Watchtower 7/15/67 pg.446-7

This next quote leads the reader to believe that Armageddon is in the very immediate future. But that would depend upon what your definition of immediate is, or the phrase 'a few years at most'.

I guess it's sort of like the varying definitions of the word 'is' with politicians today.

The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these "last days" will undergo fulfillment, resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind into Christ's glorious 1,000-year reign. What difficult days, but, at the same time, what grand days are just ahead!
Watchtower 5/1/68 pg.272

Of all the pre 1975 quotes this is probably the most popular, notice what is encouraged in the Kingdom Ministry a year prior to 1975 (monthly internal JW newsletter)

Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end.—1 John 2:17
Kingdom Ministry May 1974 pg.3

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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

Lady Liberty

Dear Fresia,

WELCOME to the forum! We are happy to have you here. You asked where the information came from regarding 1975. WHat I posted was from Alan Feurbacher, you will see him here from time to time using his name as his Forum name. You may try PMing him asking him your question. I am sure he would be happy to give you the references. Here is a perfect example as to what Alan was talking about:

Watchtower Prophecy Facts: 1975

"THE fact that fifty-four years of the period called the 'last days' have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God...Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of 'this generation' nearly 70 years old today. So the great majority of the generation to which Jesus was referring has already passed away in death. The remaining ones are approaching old age. And remember, Jesus said that the end of this wicked world would come before that generation passed away in death. This, of itself, tells us that the years left before the foretold end comes cannot be many. There is another way that helps confirm the fact that we are living in the final few years of this "time of the end." (Dan. 12:9) The Bible shows that we are nearing the end of a full 6,000 years of human history. What significance does this have?...Revelation chapter 20, verse 6 , shows that God's heavenly kingdom will rule over the earth for one thousand years after the end of this system of things. That millennium will bring a sabbathlike res to the earth and all those then inhabiting it...How fitting it would be for God, following this pattern, to end man's misery after six thousand years of human rule and follow it with His glorious Kingdom rule for a thousand years...How can it be determined when 6,000 years of human history will end? According to reliable Bible chronology, Adam and Eve were created in 4026 .C.E...This would leave only seven more years from the autumn of 1968 to complete 6,000 full years of human history. That seven-year period will evidently finish in the autumn of the year 1975 ." (Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 13-14)